How refreshing to see the Chinese so civilized in their religious disputations, strong opinions and logic on both sides that didn't lead to blows.
So unlike the Abrahamic religions, ... Church councils leading to ossified doctrines determining who is orthodox and who is a heretic, inquisitions, persecutions, martyrdoms and religious wars.
or maybe the adherents of the Abrahamic religions just take their beliefs more seriously than the Buddhists, Daoists and Confucians perhaps? Seriously enough to kill, maim, torture, discriminate and persecute. After all, the Truth must be forced on non-believers and heretics who deny the Truth must be eradicated?
are you actually seriously suggesting that people who "kill maim, torture discriminate and persecute" are thus more serious in their beliefs than those who don't?
that one judges belief by the amount of killing maiming and torturing a belief system/ country/ religion/ person does?
I can't read your tone. Are you actually being serious here?
The only thing the Abrahamic God values more than His believers willing to die for Him in martyrdom, … is His believers willing to kill for Him. The patriarch Abraham was willing to kill his son Isaac (or Ishmael according to Muslims) to prove his loyalty to God. The Israelites were ordered by God to exterminate the Amelekites because they offended Him so. Being a Crusader, a Jihadis, an Inquisitor, using violence to expand the faith in this Abrahamic God is the primary calling for adherents of the Abrahamic God. Given the choice humans don’t want to kill other humans, call it a divine command and they happily start slitting throats and burn people are the stake. It can even override the highest Confucian virtue of filial piety, that between father and son, … take for example the King of Spain, Philip II … he said that if even his own son were a heretic, he’d gather the wood to burn him at the stake for heresy this affirming his commitment to the Inquisition and pleasing his Catholic God. Wouldn’t you call that taking your religion seriously Debbie? Don’t you think both Abraham and Philip II were committed to their God?
This is extremely fascinating. I have been doing research into the question of whether there was any pre-modern Chinese literary/philosophical influence on India. Do you know if the Confucian canon was ever translated into Sanskrit? Thank you.
Triying to unpackage Francois Jullien "method" i think that actually the best strategy is remain as faithfull as posible and, at the same time, pointing what you can win by engaging with a diferent tradition than yours. Putting to work both cultural resources acknowleging their specifitys and without confuse them. For example, Jullien develop the notion (not a western like concept but a wisdom notion he even say) of silent transformations, taking as example the work of the neo confuncian Wang Fu Zhi; he points its diferents with Western conceptualization of history (silent transformations are more usefull to think about invisible and progressive changes whether because we are so inmerse that we hardly can even notice it or because the modifications are very far away of us -if i remember correctly.) and he use this understanding to also point western, not so hegemonic, products which we can be match wich silent transformations notion, such us Lev Tolstoi's novels.
How refreshing to see the Chinese so civilized in their religious disputations, strong opinions and logic on both sides that didn't lead to blows.
So unlike the Abrahamic religions, ... Church councils leading to ossified doctrines determining who is orthodox and who is a heretic, inquisitions, persecutions, martyrdoms and religious wars.
Because ethics is deeply embedded and practiced in Eastern traditions, while typically buried or forgotten in Western ones.
or maybe the adherents of the Abrahamic religions just take their beliefs more seriously than the Buddhists, Daoists and Confucians perhaps? Seriously enough to kill, maim, torture, discriminate and persecute. After all, the Truth must be forced on non-believers and heretics who deny the Truth must be eradicated?
are you actually seriously suggesting that people who "kill maim, torture discriminate and persecute" are thus more serious in their beliefs than those who don't?
that one judges belief by the amount of killing maiming and torturing a belief system/ country/ religion/ person does?
I can't read your tone. Are you actually being serious here?
The only thing the Abrahamic God values more than His believers willing to die for Him in martyrdom, … is His believers willing to kill for Him. The patriarch Abraham was willing to kill his son Isaac (or Ishmael according to Muslims) to prove his loyalty to God. The Israelites were ordered by God to exterminate the Amelekites because they offended Him so. Being a Crusader, a Jihadis, an Inquisitor, using violence to expand the faith in this Abrahamic God is the primary calling for adherents of the Abrahamic God. Given the choice humans don’t want to kill other humans, call it a divine command and they happily start slitting throats and burn people are the stake. It can even override the highest Confucian virtue of filial piety, that between father and son, … take for example the King of Spain, Philip II … he said that if even his own son were a heretic, he’d gather the wood to burn him at the stake for heresy this affirming his commitment to the Inquisition and pleasing his Catholic God. Wouldn’t you call that taking your religion seriously Debbie? Don’t you think both Abraham and Philip II were committed to their God?
The West’s geographic division gave more opportunities for sects to dominate some areas and not others.
I admire the depth and breadth you take to your writings!
Incredible story, really exposed me to something new and presented so well. 🙏🏻🙏🏻
What a shame that this translation was lost - on all sides.
hmmm aren't they all incorrect? The Dao cannot be named.
This is extremely fascinating. I have been doing research into the question of whether there was any pre-modern Chinese literary/philosophical influence on India. Do you know if the Confucian canon was ever translated into Sanskrit? Thank you.
My answer to the last question is:
Do Both, sequentially stagger the transmission and then let devotees decipher after a certain maturity.
Triying to unpackage Francois Jullien "method" i think that actually the best strategy is remain as faithfull as posible and, at the same time, pointing what you can win by engaging with a diferent tradition than yours. Putting to work both cultural resources acknowleging their specifitys and without confuse them. For example, Jullien develop the notion (not a western like concept but a wisdom notion he even say) of silent transformations, taking as example the work of the neo confuncian Wang Fu Zhi; he points its diferents with Western conceptualization of history (silent transformations are more usefull to think about invisible and progressive changes whether because we are so inmerse that we hardly can even notice it or because the modifications are very far away of us -if i remember correctly.) and he use this understanding to also point western, not so hegemonic, products which we can be match wich silent transformations notion, such us Lev Tolstoi's novels.
Sorry I confuse the world “actually” with “nowadays”, which is what i really wanted to mean.