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Debbie Liu's avatar

Excellent article, Jingyu. Not the least for the mandarin picture and the knowledge that the western name for the language came before the fruit. Alway wondered.

Regarding regional dialects, (or languages, depending on your pov) I have a couple of anecdotes about dialect resistence. In the late 1990s, I was working in a regional city in Guangdong. Although the school obviously was supposed to teach in Mandarin, some of the classes (many of the classes) were taught in Cantonese. Local Guangdong teachers teaching local kids. However for families that had moved their from other places in China, this was difficult, and, they considered, against the national standard. So they complained at a parent-teacher evening, only to be told by the principal, this is Guangdong. We speak in Guangdong hua. Topic over.

Fast forward a couple of decades and I was living in Suzhou, based in Suzhou but travelling for work. People regularly spoke the Suzhou version of Wu. One of the places I went to was Changshu, about an hours drive from the SIP and technically within the Suzhou city jurisdiction. There the locals spoke their own version of Wu, Changshu dialect. Even Suzhou dialect speakers could not understand the Changshu dialect.

A really interesting thing happened once. While much of the dialogue between parents and teachers occurred in Changshu-ese, one afternoon a grandparent came, who was from a smaller village outside of Changshu. Her dialect and Changshu dialect were mutually unintelligible. Staff had to find a teacher who spoke a similar dialect from a village near the small village, with enough similarities to be understood. Then that teacher translated from the village dialect to Changshu dialect, which was then translated to Suzhou dialect for other teachers, and finally into Mandarin for those who didn't speak Suzhou-ese.

I wondered about the dialects and asked people. They were adamant that their children were going to grow up speaking Changshu dialect, Suzhou dialect, and standard mandarin.

That was probably about a decade ago. I wonder how it's going now. Suzhou has also had an influx of people from other places, and old locals commiserate about how their Suzhou culture is dying.

Javier Zanetti's avatar

Other than auditory clarity and convenience, were there any other reasons why the specific Luanping pronunciation was adopted?

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